![]() ![]() He was already doing his time and he wanted to tell somebody the whole story. When he heard that we wanted to talk to him, he’d already been sentenced. What do you think was happening that day of the interview? Was it a matter of trust between you and Ramos? Or was he just ready to purge himself of the story? He didn’t try to push blame onto anybody else. Here was a guy who simply remembered every single solitary detail of this story, chapter and verse, over the whole period of time. And certainly it’s self-serving the way they tell a story, but not in this case. You go in expecting that people are going to lie to you, and they generally do. People lie to you all the time in these interviews. I don’t know whether he was a savant or what he was, but he told the story in such incredible detail and it all held together. ![]() This young man, at the time we talked to him, was in his mid 20s or 30-ish. So you just need to hear the whole story. But our philosophy is if you don’t have it all on tape, you can’t use it later in the edit room. We usually interview people for a couple of hours, and then what you see on Dateline is a few minutes of it. So when Morrison heard that NBC wanted to start making Dateline audio podcasts, the correspondent tells Vanity Fair, “This story was uppermost in my mind.” Morrison still considers his sit-down with Ramos, after he had been sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, to be one of the most gratifying conversations of his career. But Morrison says the episode only aired a handful of times. The grim story was perfect Dateline material-full of twists and turns like a staged kidnapping, an attempted murder, and multiple lovers’ betrayals. ![]() Their romance spun out of control, with Ramos and Presba eventually pleading guilty to murdering Presba’s husband, Ed, and staging his death in a fiery 2008 car accident. But there’s one jailhouse interview that still sticks with him-one he conducted back in 2010 with Jaime Ramos, a California man who had an affair with his married counselor, Patty Presba, who was over 25 years Ramos’s senior. It now airs on Fridays with new episodes on NBC, plus in reruns on NBC Universal owned cable networks, like USA, MSNBC and Oxygen, plus traditional TV syndication.Dateline correspondent Keith Morrison has interviewed plenty of suspected murderers in his 27 years with the NBC news magazine. "Dateline" originally began in 1992 as a traditional network TV news magazine, hosted by Jane Pauley and Stone Phillips, but morphed in 2005 into a true crime series that is now hosted by Lester Holt, the anchor of the "NBC Nightly News." "It's great to be able to to put in stuff that might get lost," otherwise. "Sometimes an explanation could take a minute and a half, and that doesn't work in television, that's too long," he says. Mankiewicz says doing a podcast was freeing because it allowed him time to reveal more details of the story. "Pam" was an extended version of a storiy first seen on the "Dateline" TV show. The first two originals were "13 Alibis," from May, 2019, and "The Thing about Pam," from September. ![]() "Motive," is the third "Dateline" original podcast, about two Houston murders, based on the TV episode from November that was reported by Josh Mankiewicz - who hosts the audio edition as well. "Dateline," has reaped over 100 million podcast downloads since launching in May, 2019. Today, the iTunes top 25 list includes shows such as the "Dateline," podcast, an audio version of the weekly Friday night (9 p.m.) TV show, currently No. Back in 2014, the in-depth investigation of a murder case in "Serial," helped kick off the genre. True crime podcasts are the hottest right now. Shuffles: NBC News chief Andy Lack out in corporate restructuring Cesar Conde takes top job Anchor speaks: Lester Holt Q&A: In prison, I learned about hope and resilience ![]()
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